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	<title>Comments on: Richi Jennings changed physics, and I didn&#8217;t even notice</title>
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		<title>By: Curt Monash</title>
		<link>http://www.monashreport.com/2008/01/10/richi-jennings-changed-physics-and-i-didnt-even-notice/#comment-48768</link>
		<dc:creator>Curt Monash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 16:00:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry about repeating myself.  

I agree that things are never quite as they seem they should be.  I have a nice venerable 10 megabit cable in my home, but for some reason I top out at about 5 MB/s while my wife, upstairs, gets 10+ of the 20 MB/s Verison FIOS promised us.

Best,

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry about repeating myself.  </p>
<p>I agree that things are never quite as they seem they should be.  I have a nice venerable 10 megabit cable in my home, but for some reason I top out at about 5 MB/s while my wife, upstairs, gets 10+ of the 20 MB/s Verison FIOS promised us.</p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>CAM</p>
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		<title>By: Richi Jennings</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richi Jennings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 20:45:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I recall, you did pick up this last time.

Of course a round-trip delay is twice the distance. Also, many of the U.S. servers I talk to end up being on the West Coast, or perhaps colos. in places like Nevada. Plus there&#039;s all the mucking around the electrons have to do in routers and such. Pings from here to servers out West typically run in the 150-300ms range.

But we quibble about minutiae. The point I was making was that applications like VoIP work just fine with these sorts of latencies. For example, when I Skype people in California or Australia, it&#039;s no less reliable than when I Skype people in Europe. And it&#039;s not as if the brain perceives the delay (unless Skype breaks the echo cancellation in an upgrade, as they sometimes do).

Also I was saying that the reason some ISPs are fighting the net neutrality meme is that they&#039;re too lazy/cheap to go and add the bandwidth required and expected by their users. 

Looking again at my final paragraph, I guess we&#039;re about to go though another painful expectation-versus-overcommitment transition here, as the DSL infrastructure migrates to ADSL2+ with a headline rate of 24Mb/s. I have that here, but the best I can squeeze out of it is 6 down and 1.1 up. Grumble. Moan. Whine...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I recall, you did pick up this last time.</p>
<p>Of course a round-trip delay is twice the distance. Also, many of the U.S. servers I talk to end up being on the West Coast, or perhaps colos. in places like Nevada. Plus there&#8217;s all the mucking around the electrons have to do in routers and such. Pings from here to servers out West typically run in the 150-300ms range.</p>
<p>But we quibble about minutiae. The point I was making was that applications like VoIP work just fine with these sorts of latencies. For example, when I Skype people in California or Australia, it&#8217;s no less reliable than when I Skype people in Europe. And it&#8217;s not as if the brain perceives the delay (unless Skype breaks the echo cancellation in an upgrade, as they sometimes do).</p>
<p>Also I was saying that the reason some ISPs are fighting the net neutrality meme is that they&#8217;re too lazy/cheap to go and add the bandwidth required and expected by their users. </p>
<p>Looking again at my final paragraph, I guess we&#8217;re about to go though another painful expectation-versus-overcommitment transition here, as the DSL infrastructure migrates to ADSL2+ with a headline rate of 24Mb/s. I have that here, but the best I can squeeze out of it is 6 down and 1.1 up. Grumble. Moan. Whine&#8230;</p>
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